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Rooster
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there will be no perfect levelling.
mahirap din itong pagusapan sa forum.
i suggest to set-up a meeting para instant ang reaction and discussion.
meron ng formula dati, kasama pa di ba ang number of win/number of loses..si MAX di ba may formula na?
we can already start from there and see if there's any need for amendment or additional criteria.
we saw some promotions recently...for the records na ba yun?
did the committee approved those promotions?
that is why i suggest to provide at least a certificate/trophy to merit those who promoted, signed and sealed by the committee (all 5 of them) to make this process legit. mas professional ang dating...
players will strive more to improve their skills, now that there is a recognition other than being a champion/1st-runner-up which is always difficult to achieve in a tournament, kasi nga may silatan(always part of the game).
again, this is just a suggestion of mine.... 
the committe should decide .....
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pacman
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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nasa akin yung listahan natin ng players, sa totoo lang napakahirap maglevel ng player considering na hobby lang ang pagbibilyar, may dadating aawit "oi 3 weeks akong alang laro puede ba demote muna ako???"
For me hindi puede yung ganyan, we should put the player sa highest capacity nya.
Nakakairita lang minsan ang ibang players gusto nila lagi silang lamang, nakakalimutan na yung tunay na purpose ng paglalaro. Dapat nga voluntary na yang upgrading na yan kasi sino ba mas nakakakilala sa sarili natin? Kaya minsan di umaasenso ang mga tira kasi they don't go for the level up challenge. opssss hehehehe
EPT/YOYO kasi may .5 na rating so .5 diff no handicap
While sa Star naman 1 level e Pus 1 lang
(paano iaaply yung plus one sa ring games if ever? o applicable lang sya sa KO stage)
Mas maganda magbotohan na lang kung anong system ang iaaply natin
Sa levelling naman, hayaan na nating kumite ang mag decide para wala ng debate debate...
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The_General
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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mahirap din talaga kasi yung mga gusto ma-challenge naman, for example, try lumaban ng mataas konti, like halimbawa gusto lumaban ng parehas, imbes na 8-9 parehas na lang, ano nangyayari? yung mas mataas na player ayaw lumaban - sasabihin, wag na, or ang kapal naman nito feeling magaling... eh simple lang naman yan eh - bakit, takot kayo (matataas na level) matalo sa halimbawa "i suck" na katulad ko? eh gusto ko nga ma-challenge halimbawa... bakit ayaw? tapos ngayon kung anu-ano naririnig ko na kesyo kaya di umaasenso tira dahil ayaw ma-challenge? eh san kami lulugar? pag natalo yung mas magaling kung anu-ano dahilan na sasabihin keso ganito, ganyan? wala na ba kami karapatan umasenso, ganon ba? na pag nakatalo ng mas magaling eh palaging me dahilan? or nanalo sa isang laban sasabihin fluke? tsamba? swerte? ampotah, sala sa init sala sa lamig eh. puro na lang ba para sa mas magagaling ang pabor?
i-abolish niyo na yang leveling na yan. parehas na lahat laban. para pag nanalo mas mahina - WALA NANG DAHI-DAHILAN PA.
o...o... seseryosohin na naman ako... 
di pa ba ako masaya sa level ko at 7-9 ako ke manok?!?  siyempre happy ako! 
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ishtiki
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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mahirap din talaga kasi yung mga gusto ma-challenge naman, for example, try lumaban ng mataas konti, like halimbawa gusto lumaban ng parehas, imbes na 8-9 parehas na lang, ano nangyayari? yung mas mataas na player ayaw lumaban - sasabihin, wag na, or ang kapal naman nito feeling magaling... eh simple lang naman yan eh - bakit, takot kayo (matataas na level) matalo sa halimbawa "i suck" na katulad ko? eh gusto ko nga ma-challenge halimbawa... bakit ayaw? tapos ngayon kung anu-ano naririnig ko na kesyo kaya di umaasenso tira dahil ayaw ma-challenge? eh san kami lulugar? pag natalo yung mas magaling kung anu-ano dahilan na sasabihin keso ganito, ganyan? wala na ba kami karapatan umasenso, ganon ba? na pag nakatalo ng mas magaling eh palaging me dahilan? or nanalo sa isang laban sasabihin fluke? tsamba? swerte? ampotah, sala sa init sala sa lamig eh. puro na lang ba para sa mas magagaling ang pabor?
i-abolish niyo na yang leveling na yan. parehas na lahat laban. para pag nanalo mas mahina - WALA NANG DAHI-DAHILAN PA. |
sinong umaayaw sa self promotion? pabor nga yun kasi masliamado lalo yung masmataas na level
manalo ka isang beses sa masmataas na level... chamba talaga yun or masama talaga ang tira ng kalaban. if you're able to do it multiple times and regularly, ibang kwento na yun |
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The_General
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| ishtiki wrote: |
| The_General wrote: |
mahirap din talaga kasi yung mga gusto ma-challenge naman, for example, try lumaban ng mataas konti, like halimbawa gusto lumaban ng parehas, imbes na 8-9 parehas na lang, ano nangyayari? yung mas mataas na player ayaw lumaban - sasabihin, wag na, or ang kapal naman nito feeling magaling... eh simple lang naman yan eh - bakit, takot kayo (matataas na level) matalo sa halimbawa "i suck" na katulad ko? eh gusto ko nga ma-challenge halimbawa... bakit ayaw? tapos ngayon kung anu-ano naririnig ko na kesyo kaya di umaasenso tira dahil ayaw ma-challenge? eh san kami lulugar? pag natalo yung mas magaling kung anu-ano dahilan na sasabihin keso ganito, ganyan? wala na ba kami karapatan umasenso, ganon ba? na pag nakatalo ng mas magaling eh palaging me dahilan? or nanalo sa isang laban sasabihin fluke? tsamba? swerte? ampotah, sala sa init sala sa lamig eh. puro na lang ba para sa mas magagaling ang pabor?
i-abolish niyo na yang leveling na yan. parehas na lahat laban. para pag nanalo mas mahina - WALA NANG DAHI-DAHILAN PA. |
sinong umaayaw sa self promotion? pabor nga yun kasi masliamado lalo yung masmataas na level
manalo ka isang beses sa masmataas na level... chamba talaga yun or masama talaga ang tira ng kalaban. if you're able to do it multiple times and regularly, ibang kwento na yun |
tama ka. isang beses chamba. pero yung paulit-ulit (kahit di naman champion kasi kulang pa nga dunong), siguro hindi naman na chamba yun. masama lang, inuuna yung maliit na "tingin" dun sa tao kesa pagbasehan ang statistics.
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Rooster
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| The_General wrote: |
| di pa ba ako masaya sa level ko at 7-9 ako ke manok?!? siyempre happy ako! |
Ako hindi happy!! 
Kasi nangungulam ka!!! 
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joyjoy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Rooster wrote: |
| The_General wrote: |
| di pa ba ako masaya sa level ko at 7-9 ako ke manok?!? siyempre happy ako! |
Ako hindi happy!!
Kasi nangungulam ka!!! |
hey manok, wag kang hard losser, hehehe |
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shark
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Les, if you look at the guidelines we put in place... hindi lang champion ang basehan... actually, kahit 4th place pwede maging basihan.. dependeng on the consistency... naka post naman yun.
kaya tanung ko is basehan pa ba yun.. sa akin kasi, we already put that in place last year.. now we want it re-done (although ok lang din).. sayang ang effort previously done... beside, after a year or 2.. re-do it again???
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| i don't see any problem, kasi kung talagang umangat eh di dapat nagchampion sila hmmm, i don't know, i suggest pagbotohan, kung gusto nyo bawat player irate ang isa't isa gawa ng list ilagay kung saan dapat |
champion lang ba ang basehan para masabing umangat ang tira?  so kung hindi nag-champion ibig sabihin stagnant na at walang improvements? ganon ba? eh paano kung hindi pa nga champion-caliber ang tira? paano yung lower-levels halimbawa. example si sixpocket kunwari (Joe, example lang ha) in the last let's say 3-4 tourneys, sinagasaan lahat ng upper-level opponents niya... halimbawa si vesuvian, totoy dimples, peewee, rooster (paulit-ulit pa kunwari), joyren, atbp. pero hindi siya umaabot ng championship dahil kapos pa nga para sa top honors. sasabihin mo di umangat tira? ganon ba? dahil sinasabi mo kung umangat tira, dapat nag-champion. so walang karapatan umangat ang tira ng mga hindi nagchampion at least, ganon ba? |
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pacman
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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e paikot ikot lang mangayayari satin nyan, waste of time....yung gusto pa promote e di magpapromote, dapat sa laban kung anong level ka yun ang sundin, wag yung alam mong 8-9 ka sasabihin mo waived na yung partida, dats styupeyd and mali naman...we should follow our levels not unless it was announced na your self requested level (promotion). Though optional yan kung papayag yung kalaro mo then that's bet you and her/him na lang.
we have done already the voting before e mukhang back to 0 na naman tayo, dapat pag tuunan na lang natin ng pansin e yung levelling and handicapping system na dapat iapply and just leave the screening/levelling/promotion sa committee.
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If you don't want to extinct......
Then unleash your killer Instinct......
tO bE....oR nOt To Be...................oR nOt tO bE..................
pag ang bola may kita, sigurado may tama..
pag ang tumira di tumama, sigurado sya ang may tama...... |
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shark
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| pacman wrote: |
e paikot ikot lang mangayayari satin nyan, waste of time....yung gusto pa promote e di magpapromote, dapat sa laban kung anong level ka yun ang sundin, wag yung alam mong 8-9 ka sasabihin mo waived na yung partida, dats styupeyd and mali naman...we should follow our levels not unless it was announced na your self requested level (promotion). Though optional yan kung papayag yung kalaro mo then that's bet you and her/him na lang.
we have done already the voting before e mukhang back to 0 na naman tayo, dapat pag tuunan na lang natin ng pansin e yung levelling and handicapping system na dapat iapply and just leave the screening/levelling/promotion sa committee. |
precisely my point...
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ishtiki
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| shark wrote: |
| pacman wrote: |
e paikot ikot lang mangayayari satin nyan, waste of time....yung gusto pa promote e di magpapromote, dapat sa laban kung anong level ka yun ang sundin, wag yung alam mong 8-9 ka sasabihin mo waived na yung partida, dats styupeyd and mali naman...we should follow our levels not unless it was announced na your self requested level (promotion). Though optional yan kung papayag yung kalaro mo then that's bet you and her/him na lang.
we have done already the voting before e mukhang back to 0 na naman tayo, dapat pag tuunan na lang natin ng pansin e yung levelling and handicapping system na dapat iapply and just leave the screening/levelling/promotion sa committee. |
precisely my point... |
hindi ito discussion! lock!!! |
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joyjoy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| pacman wrote: |
e paikot ikot lang mangayayari satin nyan, waste of time....yung gusto pa promote e di magpapromote, dapat sa laban kung anong level ka yun ang sundin, wag yung alam mong 8-9 ka sasabihin mo waived na yung partida, dats styupeyd and mali naman...we should follow our levels not unless it was announced na your self requested level (promotion). Though optional yan kung papayag yung kalaro mo then that's bet you and her/him na lang.
we have done already the voting before e mukhang back to 0 na naman tayo, dapat pag tuunan na lang natin ng pansin e yung levelling and handicapping system na dapat iapply and just leave the screening/levelling/promotion sa committee. |
ganito na lang pacman, what we can do is to apply what star have classify you and me, then from there we can work out something para pantay pantay na din or standard ng classification natin |
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pacman
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| joyjoy wrote: |
| pacman wrote: |
e paikot ikot lang mangayayari satin nyan, waste of time....yung gusto pa promote e di magpapromote, dapat sa laban kung anong level ka yun ang sundin, wag yung alam mong 8-9 ka sasabihin mo waived na yung partida, dats styupeyd and mali naman...we should follow our levels not unless it was announced na your self requested level (promotion). Though optional yan kung papayag yung kalaro mo then that's bet you and her/him na lang.
we have done already the voting before e mukhang back to 0 na naman tayo, dapat pag tuunan na lang natin ng pansin e yung levelling and handicapping system na dapat iapply and just leave the screening/levelling/promotion sa committee. |
ganito na lang pacman, what we can do is to apply what star have classify you and me, then from there we can work out something para pantay pantay na din or standard ng classification natin |
Difinitely maganda yan, pero how about the handicapping sir? 1 level diff is +1 o bola? pero pag +1 paano natin iaaply sa ring games?
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Then unleash your killer Instinct......
tO bE....oR nOt To Be...................oR nOt tO bE..................
pag ang bola may kita, sigurado may tama..
pag ang tumira di tumama, sigurado sya ang may tama...... |
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The_General
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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hehe... react to the max ang mga kafatiiid!!! todo na toooo!
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raizen
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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agree ako sa suggestion ni joyren to review the levelling system. imho only, medyo crowded ang bdn sa D, C, C+, B. parang 4 lang to na class. parang nagooverlap. with due respect sa fellow bdns natin, for me, EPT seems to have a more clear and fair levelling. if I were to choose, the 3 level letter format, a+, a, a-, b+, b, b- is a good system, then level clearly each player for fairness.
as for the promotion, classification, etc. I would suggest a 5 person skills committee that would review each players level. they would then vote what level to give a certain player. majority vote amongst them will set the level of the player.
if i were to choose, i would put the following veterans on that committee. with their playing skills, they should be able to gauge more closely our skill level. now, for those who place on tourney's, they should not be automatically promoted as it maybe just their lucky day, but instead should be brought to the skills committe for skill review.
Pacmee
Joyren
Shark
Dino
Japoy
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